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		<title>By: Rachel</title>
		<link>http://blog.coreknowledge.org/2009/01/09/turnaround-without-turmoil/comment-page-1/#comment-5307</link>
		<dc:creator>Rachel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jan 2009 03:41:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think optimal district size is one of the under-explored questions in education reform.  If I had to make a guess, its somewhere from 3000 - 20,000 students -- big enough to have some possibility of diversity, but small enough that most people know most other people.

Around here there tends to be pressure to merge districts -- but its really hard to make an argument that the small districts are less efficient than the larger ones. My sense is that when you start having assistant superintendents for geographic regions (rather than for &quot;business&quot; or &quot;curriculum&quot;), you&#039;d be better off with separate districts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think optimal district size is one of the under-explored questions in education reform.  If I had to make a guess, its somewhere from 3000 &#8211; 20,000 students &#8212; big enough to have some possibility of diversity, but small enough that most people know most other people.</p>
<p>Around here there tends to be pressure to merge districts &#8212; but its really hard to make an argument that the small districts are less efficient than the larger ones. My sense is that when you start having assistant superintendents for geographic regions (rather than for &#8220;business&#8221; or &#8220;curriculum&#8221;), you&#8217;d be better off with separate districts.</p>
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		<title>By: Nancy Flanagan</title>
		<link>http://blog.coreknowledge.org/2009/01/09/turnaround-without-turmoil/comment-page-1/#comment-5306</link>
		<dc:creator>Nancy Flanagan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jan 2009 03:04:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s not only feel-good uplift vs. failed-system bomb-throwing we&#039;re seeing in the contrast between D.C. and Montgomery County. There&#039;s another important idea embedded in the flap around this story: scale matters. 

Single schools like Broad Acres really can be saved, because tools like professional development, better curriculum, more time and community-building commitment actually can work at that level, where people area not anonymous cogs and individual kids&#039; progress can be carefully tracked. The definition of &quot;success&quot; gets very muddy when the unit of measurement is larger than a school. Even in Detroit, a district that&#039;s arguably (perhaps unbelievably) worse than D.C., there are schools where test scores are pretty good, and principals fight tooth and nail to keep the teachers they have, because--all things considered--the kids are doing a lot better than you&#039;d might expect. But the system is a failure. 

It&#039;s the large urban superintendent&#039;s dilemma. On New Year&#039;s Day, the Detroit Free Press ran &quot;headlines we&#039;d like to see in 2009&quot; and one of them was &quot;Michelle Rhee Signs Contract as New Superintendent of Detroit Public Schools!&quot;

I like what Tim had to say: sometimes, &quot;excuses&quot; really are reasons.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s not only feel-good uplift vs. failed-system bomb-throwing we&#8217;re seeing in the contrast between D.C. and Montgomery County. There&#8217;s another important idea embedded in the flap around this story: scale matters. </p>
<p>Single schools like Broad Acres really can be saved, because tools like professional development, better curriculum, more time and community-building commitment actually can work at that level, where people area not anonymous cogs and individual kids&#8217; progress can be carefully tracked. The definition of &#8220;success&#8221; gets very muddy when the unit of measurement is larger than a school. Even in Detroit, a district that&#8217;s arguably (perhaps unbelievably) worse than D.C., there are schools where test scores are pretty good, and principals fight tooth and nail to keep the teachers they have, because&#8211;all things considered&#8211;the kids are doing a lot better than you&#8217;d might expect. But the system is a failure. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s the large urban superintendent&#8217;s dilemma. On New Year&#8217;s Day, the Detroit Free Press ran &#8220;headlines we&#8217;d like to see in 2009&#8243; and one of them was &#8220;Michelle Rhee Signs Contract as New Superintendent of Detroit Public Schools!&#8221;</p>
<p>I like what Tim had to say: sometimes, &#8220;excuses&#8221; really are reasons.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Pondiscio</title>
		<link>http://blog.coreknowledge.org/2009/01/09/turnaround-without-turmoil/comment-page-1/#comment-5305</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert Pondiscio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Jan 2009 21:04:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Conflict is also easier, Rachel.  I remember well my first year in the classroom. World-class attention seekers and behavior problems.  I spent all of my time merely trying to win and maintain order.  When I finally got my arms around classroom management, and came face-to-face with exactly how far behind my kids were I remember thinking, &quot;Could you guys just go back to acting out again?  That was the easy part.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Conflict is also easier, Rachel.  I remember well my first year in the classroom. World-class attention seekers and behavior problems.  I spent all of my time merely trying to win and maintain order.  When I finally got my arms around classroom management, and came face-to-face with exactly how far behind my kids were I remember thinking, &#8220;Could you guys just go back to acting out again?  That was the easy part.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Rachel</title>
		<link>http://blog.coreknowledge.org/2009/01/09/turnaround-without-turmoil/comment-page-1/#comment-5303</link>
		<dc:creator>Rachel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Jan 2009 18:30:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I do think the Ed-Reform debate is increasingly colored by the &quot;conflict drives news coverage&quot; dynamic.  The low-conflict stories make feel good pieces on slow news days, the high-conflict stories make the cover of time and dominate the blogosphere.

And once Michelle Rhee and Andy Rotherhan get into explaining why DC is different and more challenging than Maryland, it seems to me that &quot;no excuses&quot; has fallen into the &quot;I&#039;m a freedom fighter, you&#039;re a guerilla, he&#039;s a terrorist&quot; semantic trap. &quot;Excuses&quot; are what people who oppose you make.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I do think the Ed-Reform debate is increasingly colored by the &#8220;conflict drives news coverage&#8221; dynamic.  The low-conflict stories make feel good pieces on slow news days, the high-conflict stories make the cover of time and dominate the blogosphere.</p>
<p>And once Michelle Rhee and Andy Rotherhan get into explaining why DC is different and more challenging than Maryland, it seems to me that &#8220;no excuses&#8221; has fallen into the &#8220;I&#8217;m a freedom fighter, you&#8217;re a guerilla, he&#8217;s a terrorist&#8221; semantic trap. &#8220;Excuses&#8221; are what people who oppose you make.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Pondiscio</title>
		<link>http://blog.coreknowledge.org/2009/01/09/turnaround-without-turmoil/comment-page-1/#comment-5287</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert Pondiscio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jan 2009 19:53:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Per Fisher&#039;s column, &quot;88 percent of students qualify for meal subsidies and three-quarters come from homes where English is not spoken. Two-thirds are Latino, 22 percent are black and the rest are Asian. Kids move in and out at a breathtaking rate; only 30 percent of fifth-graders have been there since first grade.&quot;

Obviously independent verification is needed here, but that doesn&#039;t sound like an &quot;affluent&quot; school.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Per Fisher&#8217;s column, &#8220;88 percent of students qualify for meal subsidies and three-quarters come from homes where English is not spoken. Two-thirds are Latino, 22 percent are black and the rest are Asian. Kids move in and out at a breathtaking rate; only 30 percent of fifth-graders have been there since first grade.&#8221;</p>
<p>Obviously independent verification is needed here, but that doesn&#8217;t sound like an &#8220;affluent&#8221; school.</p>
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		<title>By: DJ Butler</title>
		<link>http://blog.coreknowledge.org/2009/01/09/turnaround-without-turmoil/comment-page-1/#comment-5286</link>
		<dc:creator>DJ Butler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jan 2009 19:43:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think Eduwonk (Andrew Rotherham) said it best: &quot;I’ll be the first one to say that Michelle Rhee’s style carries some backfire potential, but to compare her challenge in turning around almost the entire D.C. school system, demonstrably one of the nation’s most broken and with all the politics that go with that, to the challenge of turning around one school in affluent Montgomery County as a WaPo columnist does today is preposterous.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think Eduwonk (Andrew Rotherham) said it best: &#8220;I’ll be the first one to say that Michelle Rhee’s style carries some backfire potential, but to compare her challenge in turning around almost the entire D.C. school system, demonstrably one of the nation’s most broken and with all the politics that go with that, to the challenge of turning around one school in affluent Montgomery County as a WaPo columnist does today is preposterous.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Tim</title>
		<link>http://blog.coreknowledge.org/2009/01/09/turnaround-without-turmoil/comment-page-1/#comment-5283</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jan 2009 18:46:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We should stop using the word &quot;excuse.&quot; The article talks about the difficulties the students have, but says that he is not giving an excuse. However, someone else giving the same facts might be denounced for making excuses for low performance. When Michelle Rhee&#039;s schools were ranking low recently, she said that it was &quot;tough&quot; to compare her urban students to non-urban students. Is that an excuse or not? Based on the common definition I think it is. 

I suggest we use words like &quot;reason&quot; instead of &quot;excuse.&quot; What do other people think?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We should stop using the word &#8220;excuse.&#8221; The article talks about the difficulties the students have, but says that he is not giving an excuse. However, someone else giving the same facts might be denounced for making excuses for low performance. When Michelle Rhee&#8217;s schools were ranking low recently, she said that it was &#8220;tough&#8221; to compare her urban students to non-urban students. Is that an excuse or not? Based on the common definition I think it is. </p>
<p>I suggest we use words like &#8220;reason&#8221; instead of &#8220;excuse.&#8221; What do other people think?</p>
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		<title>By: Nancy Flanagan</title>
		<link>http://blog.coreknowledge.org/2009/01/09/turnaround-without-turmoil/comment-page-1/#comment-5280</link>
		<dc:creator>Nancy Flanagan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jan 2009 17:38:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you for pointing CKB&#039;s readers to this important and inspiring story, which should be widely read in the education community. If this is a &quot;no excuses&quot; school (and I pray that it is), then all schools should operate under this philosophy: treating people in ways that will bring out their capacity and commitment to kids.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for pointing CKB&#8217;s readers to this important and inspiring story, which should be widely read in the education community. If this is a &#8220;no excuses&#8221; school (and I pray that it is), then all schools should operate under this philosophy: treating people in ways that will bring out their capacity and commitment to kids.</p>
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