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	<title>Comments on: An Unhelpful Development</title>
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		<title>By: Gina</title>
		<link>http://blog.coreknowledge.org/2009/07/15/an-unhelpful-development/comment-page-1/#comment-7301</link>
		<dc:creator>Gina</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jul 2009 22:50:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Marci,

My only response is that in my post I am referring to elementary level history. The role of Christianity in the founding of America and its Constitution should be taught; as I said the role that religion plays in important historical events should be a part of the curriculum. That is different than evangelizing the curriculum. It can sometimes be a fine line, but it is one that needs to be heeded in public education. Regardless, the point remains that it would be terrible for the core curriculum movement to become boggled down by a select group of people wanting to turn history education into bible school.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Marci,</p>
<p>My only response is that in my post I am referring to elementary level history. The role of Christianity in the founding of America and its Constitution should be taught; as I said the role that religion plays in important historical events should be a part of the curriculum. That is different than evangelizing the curriculum. It can sometimes be a fine line, but it is one that needs to be heeded in public education. Regardless, the point remains that it would be terrible for the core curriculum movement to become boggled down by a select group of people wanting to turn history education into bible school.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
		<link>http://blog.coreknowledge.org/2009/07/15/an-unhelpful-development/comment-page-1/#comment-7286</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 21:16:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think another issue that needs to be examined is why we still (over)rely on textbooks as the single source of information. Teachers are not too fond of textbooks (at least not the ones I work with)- they stifle creative thinking and are often full of bias and misleading facts. Surely we can do better in the 21st century than a four pound book chosen because some school board member owes a frat brother a favor. There are wonderful websites, great historical fiction and just about every community has a local historical society that can help out. Let&#039;s not jettison history just because they aren&#039;t testing it yet (although they do here in NYS).

I&#039;d be careful with how much Christianity we serve up with our history (Manifest Destiny worked great for us pioneer folks; not sure if the original inhabitants of North America would concur...).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think another issue that needs to be examined is why we still (over)rely on textbooks as the single source of information. Teachers are not too fond of textbooks (at least not the ones I work with)- they stifle creative thinking and are often full of bias and misleading facts. Surely we can do better in the 21st century than a four pound book chosen because some school board member owes a frat brother a favor. There are wonderful websites, great historical fiction and just about every community has a local historical society that can help out. Let&#8217;s not jettison history just because they aren&#8217;t testing it yet (although they do here in NYS).</p>
<p>I&#8217;d be careful with how much Christianity we serve up with our history (Manifest Destiny worked great for us pioneer folks; not sure if the original inhabitants of North America would concur&#8230;).</p>
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		<title>By: marcy</title>
		<link>http://blog.coreknowledge.org/2009/07/15/an-unhelpful-development/comment-page-1/#comment-7280</link>
		<dc:creator>marcy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 01:55:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Both sources take a secular approach and teach the history of religion in a way that is appropriate for secular schools. With the Bauer books my kids have learned about various world religions and the role they have played in different historical events - this is education!&quot;

Your children have learned about various world religions.  What&#039;s wrong with teaching children about the significant role Christianity played in the founding of our country?  How can you teach about Thanksgiving without teaching about Christianity?  How can you teach about the settling of the West without talking about how the church served as school building, hospital in a time of crisis, town hall, etc.?  

We have the Story of the World books as well.  They aren&#039;t a complete curriculum by any stretch of the imagination - especially where American history is concerned.  They are a mile wide and an inch deep, as the saying goes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Both sources take a secular approach and teach the history of religion in a way that is appropriate for secular schools. With the Bauer books my kids have learned about various world religions and the role they have played in different historical events &#8211; this is education!&#8221;</p>
<p>Your children have learned about various world religions.  What&#8217;s wrong with teaching children about the significant role Christianity played in the founding of our country?  How can you teach about Thanksgiving without teaching about Christianity?  How can you teach about the settling of the West without talking about how the church served as school building, hospital in a time of crisis, town hall, etc.?  </p>
<p>We have the Story of the World books as well.  They aren&#8217;t a complete curriculum by any stretch of the imagination &#8211; especially where American history is concerned.  They are a mile wide and an inch deep, as the saying goes.</p>
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		<title>By: Gina</title>
		<link>http://blog.coreknowledge.org/2009/07/15/an-unhelpful-development/comment-page-1/#comment-7279</link>
		<dc:creator>Gina</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jul 2009 23:48:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I completely agree with you Robert. This is a very unhelpful situation for the core curriculum movement in public education. Following the core curriculum you espouse or something similar to The Story of the World by Susan Wise Bauer is the correct choice for American public schools. My children are very knowledgeable about history because of the Bauer books on CD (unfortunately they&#039;ve learned nearly zero about history or America in school). Both sources take a secular approach and teach the history of religion in a way that is appropriate for secular schools. With the Bauer books my kids have learned about various world religions and the role they have played in different historical events - this is education! They have a more deep understanding of Catholicism both from an academic and faith perspective thanks to family and church. That is the correct order of things for public education.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I completely agree with you Robert. This is a very unhelpful situation for the core curriculum movement in public education. Following the core curriculum you espouse or something similar to The Story of the World by Susan Wise Bauer is the correct choice for American public schools. My children are very knowledgeable about history because of the Bauer books on CD (unfortunately they&#8217;ve learned nearly zero about history or America in school). Both sources take a secular approach and teach the history of religion in a way that is appropriate for secular schools. With the Bauer books my kids have learned about various world religions and the role they have played in different historical events &#8211; this is education! They have a more deep understanding of Catholicism both from an academic and faith perspective thanks to family and church. That is the correct order of things for public education.</p>
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		<title>By: Claus</title>
		<link>http://blog.coreknowledge.org/2009/07/15/an-unhelpful-development/comment-page-1/#comment-7277</link>
		<dc:creator>Claus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jul 2009 22:01:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A very thoughtful commentator on religion and schools is Charles Haynes. His commentaries are available here: http://www.firstamendmentcenter.org/collection.aspx?item=charles_haynes_commentaries</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A very thoughtful commentator on religion and schools is Charles Haynes. His commentaries are available here: <a href="http://www.firstamendmentcenter.org/collection.aspx?item=charles_haynes_commentaries" rel="nofollow">http://www.firstamendmentcenter.org/collection.aspx?item=charles_haynes_commentaries</a></p>
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		<title>By: Crimson Wife</title>
		<link>http://blog.coreknowledge.org/2009/07/15/an-unhelpful-development/comment-page-1/#comment-7276</link>
		<dc:creator>Crimson Wife</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jul 2009 19:50:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The curriculum in the government-run schools should be neither pro-Christian nor anti-Christian. I do agree that current materials too often either ignore Christianity or worse are biased against it (just look at the popularity of Joy Hakim&#039;s books). But the solution isn&#039;t to insert pro-Christian propaganda. The schools are not the proper venue for evangelism. They ought to present a neutral take of Christianity with discussion of both its positive effects and also the negative things that certain people have done in its name.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The curriculum in the government-run schools should be neither pro-Christian nor anti-Christian. I do agree that current materials too often either ignore Christianity or worse are biased against it (just look at the popularity of Joy Hakim&#8217;s books). But the solution isn&#8217;t to insert pro-Christian propaganda. The schools are not the proper venue for evangelism. They ought to present a neutral take of Christianity with discussion of both its positive effects and also the negative things that certain people have done in its name.</p>
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